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Friday, December 24, 2010  | 

Just found this blog.  Don't know if you guys have seen it yet or not, they haven't posted in a while, so I'm not sure if it's updated, but here it is.


Christian A. ( December 25, 2010 at 5:22 AM )  

Merry Christmas, Luke!

Brittini ( December 25, 2010 at 9:21 AM )  


Luke ( December 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM )  

Thanks guys! You too!

Freddy Jay ( December 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM )  

Merry Christmas Luke!

Luke ( December 28, 2010 at 1:31 PM )  

Thanks Freddy!

Brittini ( December 29, 2010 at 8:06 AM )  

Hey Luke u should do a thing like Christian and Marvin r doin THe character reviews I'm sure u'd do great!!!! BTW check out the odysseyscoop comments on the most recent post and read em

Brittini ( December 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM )  

BTW is there a way I can c what u look like? U don't have to show me if u can't

Luke ( December 30, 2010 at 9:59 PM )  

Sorry, I'd rather not do that. :) Um, there's 151 comments and I'd rather not read them all. :) Can you tell me what you wanted me to see?

Britt ( December 31, 2010 at 6:50 AM )  

Ok that's alright!!!1 :) Oh Bout the Odyssey Scoop a commenter is trying to setup where all of us can get on at the same time and kinda talk!!!! And u should do the Character thing!!!

Christian A. ( January 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM )  

@ Luke: In response to what you asked me on the Odyssey Scoop, yes I do believe that "once you're saved, you're always saved." But let me explain. I believe that if a person has been chosen by God in eternity past (before time began) to be His child, and he has received the Holy Spirit after he repented of his sin and trusted in Jesus alone for salvation, he cannot fall away. The atoning blood of Christ on the cross has sealed his salvation forever. But it's another story when a person who professes to be a Christian goes bad and turns to open sin (swearing, drinking, adultery, etc.). Then it is very safe to say that that person was never a Christian to begin with. He was never chosen by God as he has shown by his actions. He never really truly cared about living for Jesus, because he doesn't love Him enough to obey His Word.

A person who is truly saved cannot overpower God so that the Holy Spirit leaves him and he loses his salvation. The fact that he is living in sin shows that he was never a Christian. But I do believe that nothing can seperate a true Christian from the love of God and no one can snatch a believer out of God's hand, so, yes, once you are saved, you are always saved. But I think you just have trouble with the meaning of the word saved.

Tim B. ( January 3, 2011 at 5:24 AM )  

Luke I want to ask your permission first. Can I respond to Christian's comment?

Brittini ( January 3, 2011 at 5:30 AM )  

Ok this went from the Odysseyscoop to here I thought it was over and Tim will u please amswer my Q on there I need advice!!! THnks

Luke ( January 5, 2011 at 5:38 PM )  

@ Tim: Go right ahead. @ Marvin: So you believe in pre-destination?

Christian A. ( January 6, 2011 at 6:40 AM )  

@ Luke: My name is Christian, not Marvin! ;)

Yes, if you mean that I believe that every believer who has ever been saved and ever will be saved has been chosen by God before time began to be the Bride of Jesus Christ, then yes. No one can become un-elected, because Jesus said that no one can snatch His flock out of His, nor His Father's hand. God is all-knowing (omniscient), so why wouldn't He know who all He's going to save? And wouldn't He be powerful enough to keep them saved? No Christian can, by his sin, seperate himself from God for eternity, but there's a good chance that if he doesn't care that he's living in sin, that he wasn't a believer to begin with. That's what I believe, and I'm almost positive that Tim can't convince me otherwise.

Tim B. ( January 6, 2011 at 7:18 AM )  

I don't want to sound mean when I ask this Christian but I just want to hear your answer. Hypothetically speaking, what if everyone of your teachers in your school, your pastor and all those in your church just started willfully sinning with reckless abandon? Would you say that they were never saved to begin with, even though they have taught you and no doubt held your respect for years? I hope I didn't offend you I just want to see what you say.

Luke ( January 6, 2011 at 10:38 AM )  

Sorry Christian, I wasn't paying attention. I keep forgetting. :) Anyway, so you think that God pre-destines people to Hell? God gave man free choice. Read this article:

It has some really good points.

Christian A. ( January 6, 2011 at 11:16 AM )  

@ Tim B.: That's not mean at all. It's a very fair question. I'm homeschooled, but I'll still go along with your hypothetical school situation. I would totally hold to my opinion. If every single person in my church started purposefully sinning with no thoughts about what God thinks of it, no sorrow, no conviction at all, I would be very disappointed and sad, but I would hold to what the Bible says. Every one of them was a hypocrite. They never really cared for what Jesus did for them. Jesus took every sin they'd ever commit on Himself and suffered God's wrath for their sin, so why would they want to purposefully add to what He suffered through? It shows that they never really loved God to begin with. That would be a very sad situation, but that's the truth.

@ Luke: I don't have time to read the article and answer you now, but I'll get back to you. :)

Luke ( January 6, 2011 at 12:05 PM )  

OK :)

Christian A. ( January 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM )  

Boy, oh boy. I have an answer to nearly every argument presented in that article, but it would take me forever to write it all out. It'd be great if I could use a podcast format to read it and comment on things as I come to them, but I unfortunately can't do that. I don't really think that this debate is going to go anywhere, so we should probably just stop it. I'm not trying to get out of explaining myself, but it would take me way too long, and I really don't have the time. If I could, I'd start another blog about theological debates, but my dad wants me to stick to Odyssey. So thank you for taking the time to show me that article, even if I don't agree with you, but I'm not going to respond to it. Again, not that I don't have a response to it.

@ Tim B.: You can still tell me what you think about what I said; I just can't respond to Luke.

Tim B. ( January 6, 2011 at 3:25 PM )  

That's very interesting. Though that's not the way I beleive it. Your probably right that we should stop. I heard someone say sometime that he was trying to change somebody and that person said I believe what I believe and you believe what you beleive, I can't change you and you can't change me thank you good day. So I am going to stop, no hard feelings.

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